I am enjoying the experimentation with several new secure messaging apps. anyone else got some recommendations?

@maniacbolts I use a self-hosted Matrix server with end-to-end encryption. I then use bridges for other networks like Telegram when I need to.

@caleb ooo thats interesting. thats a bit 'techy' for the everyday user tho i feel.

@maniacbolts That’s true but if security is important you need to remain in control of as much of the pipeline as possible.

That said, at the end of the day it’s about making a judgement on whom you will trust. If someone is paying to host you for free then incentives should be carefully scrutinized.

@caleb yes its always a trade off between convenience and security, agreed. I do wonder if you've checked out Session (www.getsession.org). Its an interesting concept they're proposing. Ive been testing their new app for about a week, not bad.

@maniacbolts I’m somewhat familiar with it. The other day I did some reading on Loki. It seems like they’re trying to incentivize people to run nodes by making a new crypto currency that shares mined coins with nodes.

It also looks like the mobile clients aren’t running on Loki yet and groups of more than ten people aren’t encrypted.

It seems like something I’d want to check back on in a couple years to see if they’re still around and how decentralized their network is.

@caleb nice. yeah that sounds like a decent summary. What do you mean mobile clients aren't running on Loki? Session is running on the mainnet of Loki, but the coin has very little to do with the messenger (other than providing rewards to those servers doing the routing) 1000+ nodes is pretty good for a project only 2 years old, reasonably impressive imo.

yeah, large groups are difficult to scale. I think i read theyre working on that problem now, in order to not sacrifice privacy


@maniacbolts getsession.org/faq/ search for “proxy routing”. I’m pretty sure just the desktop client is using Loki.

The coin is important as it is what incentivizes people to run nodes. The question is who will be left when the speculators move on.

In regard to 1k nodes, how many people are behind them? It looks like I’m rewarded per node and I could put dozens on the same box / VM. How hard would it be for a government to set up a couple hundred thousand and see the whole network?

@caleb I had a look at the link. cant see anything suggesting its desktop only? (unless im blind). Pretty sure mobile clients and desktop are at parity.

100%, coin is very important. I dont think there are many speculators tbh. nearly 50% of circ supply is locked up already and that node count has been steadily growing for nearly 1.5 years.

thats not possible. how would a gov acquire enough nodes to perform attacks? only like 2-3% is available on exchanges...?

@maniacbolts If you look at the LOKINET status it shows the iOS client as “in progress” and Android as not started. loki.network/

I really hope the best for it though but probably won’t put much trust in it until it’s withstood the test of time. So many people are just trying to market crypto for the quick buck. Hopefully not in this case.

@caleb Lokinet is different to Session. Its an entirely different product from my understanding. That is their onion routing protocol they're building. Session is now released, albeit a little buggy, and using the Loki blockchain as a back end routing system, what they call Service Nodes.

Yeah, i feel you. 99% of 'crypto' projects are garbage. But this one could be different. Its run by a NFP, so comes under extra scrutiny and law. Highly doubt an NFP would be looking for a rich quick

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